Blogger RealityCheck believes that when the 27% quota floodgates open up for OBCs in premier institutes, it will be a clean sweep by Southern OBCs, especially the powerful OBC lobby of TN.
The OBCs from the south (esp TN) will cream the hapless OBCs from Bihar and render the whole system useless.
Do you really think a Kurmi from Bihar can compete with the Pillais and Mudaliars of Tamilnadu (who are into their 4th generation medical professions) ?
Well, we are not too sure of that. First of all, we are talking powerful OBCs like Yadavs here.
Yes, the Southern OBCs are probably a little more sophisticated as demonstrated by PC's gift of gab. But don't you ever underestimate the North, especially Bihar. Remember the ease with which Laloo swept the 800 crores loot from the fodder scam under the carpet?
If betting weren't illegal, we would be taking out bets on which OBC lobby, the powerful OBCs from the South or the powerful OBCs from Bihar ends up cornering the lions share of the loot.
I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war
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Factual Checks
1. Pillais & Mudaliars are not all OBC's. Many of them belong to the "forward community".
2. Chidambaram belongs to the Chettiar community which is "forward".
Reality Checks
Almost all Pillais and Mudaliars are OBC. Even the top of the line Thuluva Vellalars, many of whom had titled of Rao Bahadur or Dewan Sir are classified as OBC. IIRC, only the Thondamandalam Thuluva Vellalar Mudaliars (who are descendents of kings) are FC. I would love to be corrected on this though.
Yes Chidambaram is a FC, not because he is a Chettiar, but because he is a Nagarathar (or Natukottai Chettiar). This group is very small compared to the overall Chettiar population.
There is no dispute that there are small sections of each community classified as FC. The question is how well defined is this group and how many actually use this group. Another example Balija Naidus are OBC - so every Naidu can simply get a Balija Naidu certificate, instantly increasing their chances of a professional admission 50%.
Who would want to give that up ?
The devil is in the details and that is why we must persist on the demand for data.
Hi barbar,
This is by far a terrific blog on the subject, spot-on, witty, educative, totally informative, and fun. I don't see much hope for the country now and I hope never to have to return. (I am based in Dubai, UAE right now)
The only way to move forward for those of us who oppose this complete demented politicking of our country that is happening tight now, I have just 1 solution to offer: Let us all of us - people of general category (including OBC/SC/STs who are in general category) form a strong network to work our way out of the mess that India is poised to happen. To demonstrate what I mean, if you are looking for a job in the middle east, I would do my best to help you find it.
Regs,
Vinay - vin_writer@yahoo.com
Barbarindian,please do understand ,I don't believe discrimination happens at all in exams.No one is discrimintad just because he is poor or belongs to the so called backward classes.It must also be said a kid from a depraved background stands no chance as it is practically impossible for him to ace the CAT,group discussion and PI and get into an Institution such as IIM's.Caste or money as such may not matter,but it is not at all likely that ones uneducated parents can help him out in studies and guidance definitely matters.As we all know caste and a poor mindset is highly correlated and it has much to do with the social structure that prevailed in our nation.I am not sure reservations have helped Tamil Nadu's development,but it is a fact out of 430 who made it to the top,392 were from the backward classes.I didn't advocate implementing 69% reservations here too.It's only that we have to evaluate the issue,find out whether there is any unseen consequence to it before opposing it mindlessly.Maybe the reservations didn't affect the states development because there are so many good private institutions.Educations musn't be for a selected few.
Merits of Mandal report
S S GILL
In view of the confusion created by Mandal II, the Supreme Court has asked the government to clarify two things: One, what is the basis for determining who belongs to an OBC category; and two, the rationale behind 27 per cent reservation for OBCs. These two points need to be immediately cleared.
OBCs belong to the shudra category in the caste classification. Several people confuse shudras with Dalits (earlier known as untouchables). OBCs were supposed to be people who lived by their physical labour.
Though not treated as untouchables, they formed the largest segment of low castes and suffered from all sorts of social disabilities. That is why they qualify to be categorised as socially and educationally backward, and thus entitled to affirmative action under the Constitution.
As to their identification, the Mandal Commission undertook the biggest social survey ever attempted in this country. To begin with, an experts' panel under the chairmanship of eminent sociologist M N Srinivas and 14 other social scientists was formed to devise schedules for identification of OBCs.
Simultaneously, Delhi University held a seminar for a thorough discussion of the terms of reference of the commission. After several meetings, the experts' panel prepared four comprehensive schedules, two each for rural and urban areas.
All the state governments were sent these schedules for conducting the survey. Two villages and one urban block were selected at random in each and every district of the country, and all the residents of these areas were covered by the survey.
Questionnaires were also sent to all the states and 30 ministries of the central government, and notices published in national dailies and regional papers inviting public response.
The data thus collected was passed on to the National Informatics Centre, which analysed the information contained in the four pre-coded schedules.
The results of this analysis were used by the experts' panel, which derived 11 indicators of social, educational and economic backwardness. It was by the application of these indicators that OBCs were identified.
As to the number of OBCs and their percentage, government had stopped collecting caste-wise enumeration of population after the 1931 census.
Consequently, the population of various OBCs identified by the commission were culled from this census, and extrapola-ted on the basis of population growth trends over this period.
That is how the percentage of OBCs was arrived at, and it worked out to 52 per cent. When the 11 indicators were applied to identify OBCs, 44 per cent happened to be Hindus and 8 per cent were from other religions.
That shows how authentic the indicators were as it picked up a fair number of non-Hindus who were socially and educationally backward.
Some commentators have pointed out that the National Sample Survey Organisation's investigations show that OBCs constitute 32 per cent of the population, and National Family Health Survey places the figure at 30 per cent.
These two surveys cannot match the span and depth of Mandal Commission's investigations, and its findings can be revised only if an exercise of the same magnitude is attempted.
It has also been pointed out that 25-50 per cent of the reserved seats remain vacant for lack of qualified OBC candidates, resulting in a colossal waste of resources. This is true, but it is the result of sloppy and unplanned implementation.
The commission had laid great emphasis on creating suitable infrastructure in institutions to enable OBC candidates to derive full advantage from reservation. This required adequate planning and financial commitment. But as in 1990, the issue is again at present being treated purely as a vote-getting ploy.
The government is now dangling the carrot of proportionately increased seats in professional institutions to obviate any shrinkage in the 'merit' quota, as if the additional infrastructure can be created by waving a magic wand.
The current turmoil could have been averted if educationists had been taken into confidence, a sober assessment made of available capacities and a phased scheme of implementation prepared for a smooth transition.
The writer is a former bureaucrat. He was secretary, Mandal Commission.
Good blog but entirely misleading. If the upper castes had combined earlier in such a manner to rootout casteism, then it would have been creditable.
Now, you guys are just trying to protect your privileged turfs and you shall not suceed.
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